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#1 Valli

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 12:32 PM

I don't want to hijack the thread re: car seats for infants, so I thought it best to post this under a new thread:

"As of yesterday, new rules say the agent for your house can't meet you at the airport to help get you to the house. Just another helpful benefit of the island taxi collective." That isn't entirely the case. The agent is permitted to meet you at the airport, but in some instances (and this has not been enforced consistently),the agent will purchase the ticket for you at the booth and will either load the client(s) on the van and meet you at the house, or they will show the van driver that the ticket has been purchased and at that point the van driver doesn't care if you go with the agent or with them in the van. If the agent or company is too cheap or not into demonstrating some goodwill, the agent will tell you to buy your own ticket.

Depending on whom the agent is, what company they are with, what their relationship is with the van driver, etc., will also be a factor. In some cases they turn a blind eye, but I have often seen the representative just advise the van driver and they leave it at that. This is not to dispute what you are reporting, I don't doubt that this occurred. But as indicated previously, this is not consistently implemented.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:40 AM

I believe that the situation is that if you are running a business, such as a dive shop or a rental house business, the practise is that you can meet the clients at the airport BUT you cannot transport them in your personal or company vehicles. The guests will need to get the van transport from the airport to their hotel or condo only.
It does not apply when you are picking up family and friends that are coming in to stay at your personal home or condo, only if guests are paying for services such as house rentals or dive packages.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

The rules are ridiculous...

Socialistic...
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

It's their rules.

You call it 'Socialistic"...it might very well be.

This is not YOUR/MY country, we do not get to dictate our likes, and dislikes, as much as some my think, of what the rules and regulations will be of a foreign country.

It's like religion, if you don't like it, join another church.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 04:02 PM

I agree, not my country, not my rules... But the system still sucks, just like many systems here in the US suck too.
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:20 PM

"As of yesterday, new rules say the agent for your house can't meet you at the airport to help get you to the house. Just another helpful benefit of the island taxi collective." That isn't entirely the case. The agent is permitted to meet you at the airport, but in some instances (and this has not been enforced consistently),the agent will purchase the ticket for you at the booth and will either load the client(s) on the van and meet you at the house, or they will show the van driver that the ticket has been purchased and at that point the van driver doesn't care if you go with the agent or with them in the van. If the agent or company is too cheap or not into demonstrating some goodwill, the agent will tell you to buy your own ticket.

Depending on whom the agent is, what company they are with, what their relationship is with the van driver, etc., will also be a factor. In some cases they turn a blind eye, but I have often seen the representative just advise the van driver and they leave it at that. This is not to dispute what you are reporting, I don't doubt that this occurred. But as indicated previously, this is not consistently implemented.


What you're describing is the longstanding old rule - no pickups by businesses, but agents can meet arriving passengers and shepherd them through the process.

We were just notified by our rental agent (of both the house we're renting next week and the house we're closing on next week that's currently managed by her) that the rule has just changed and that they won't allow people who don't know arriving passengers to wait for them with name signs any longer. She was very apologetic, but it's of no consequence to us since we know where we're going and the agent would really just slow us down.

I certainly intend to get to the bottom of this, since it'll affect my guests and would justify a reduction in what I pay for rental management services. If my agent hasn't been truthful about this, she'll be our ex-manager, but since she knows she'll be talking with us while we're on the island in a few days I can't see what's in it for her to prevaricate.

And no, there's been no change that would prevent anyone from picking up family or friends (or customers they know by sight, really) and driving them off.
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 10:34 PM

The rules are ridiculous...

Socialistic...


Nope, this is absolutely not socialistic to any degree whatsoever.

This is good, old-fashioned, capitalism.

There is no law that I know of concerning any of this. If it were an example of socialism, there would be some law or regulation intended to spread the wealth to the poor taxi drivers. There would also be some sort of public ownership of the taxis, public oversight of rates to protect the public, etc. There isn't.

This is a rule adopted by the extremely powerful, extremely capitalistic taxi collective to protect their monopoly. It's a classic cartel, one of the least socialistic models there is. The only reason it works is that the owner/drivers have agreed (oh, let's call it conspired) to abide by the rules in order to freeze out competition and ensure a flow of money their way. Sure, if local government wanted to protect the interests of tourists or businesses that are often foreign-owned, they could certainly forbid this. Instead, they act in the interest of local Mexican businessmen who keep them elected.

Try taking your delicious, home-made sandwiches to sell to hungry passengers at your local airport and see if the licensed vendors don't have you shut down in a heartbeat. It's exactly the same process, and none of those red-blooded American businesspeople would cop to being socialist at all.

Ridiculous, I can't disagree with.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:14 AM

"And no, there's been no change that would prevent anyone from picking up family or friends (or customers they know by sight, really) and driving them off."

I would highly suggest when you do this you have your car info (either the rental agreement or your import sticker or your import letter from the Aduana), your drivers license, your tourist card or your FM and your passport. Once you enter the aiport grounds you are on Federal property. The Feds are up there checking cars all the time. If they check you out and you do not have the required documents (all of them)..............well let me just say that many people have ended up spending anywhere from 6 hours to 2 days at the station house, sorting it out. If you happen to get caught transporting clients, make sure you have a second form of transportation as your car is subject to seizure. And those guys everybody hates that work at the airport...........they are more than happy to turn you into the feds, who just happen to have an office about 25 feet from the arrival gate.

I hate it too, but it is what it is.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

Maybe it’s you that does not understand what Socialism is... You’re really barking up the wrong tree to tell me I don’t understand what it is, with my family’s background.

Socialism defined: “Any of economic and political theories advocating collective governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods...”

Also: “A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state...”

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In Cozumel, do I have the right to choose how I travel to my resort? Yes and no. I can rent a car or use a shuttle. There are governmental rules about being picked up by friends, businesses, taxis and shuttles... So essentially STATE controlled and dictated...

There is nothing capitalistic about a government being paid off to allow the shuttle services to control transport away from the airport.

Socialism at its finest...
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:37 AM

Maybe it's you that does not understand what Socialism is... You're really barking up the wrong tree to tell me I don't understand what it is, with my family's background.

Socialism defined: "Any of economic and political theories advocating collective governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods..."

Also: "A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state..."

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In Cozumel, do I have the right to choose how I travel to my resort? Yes and no. I can rent a car or use a shuttle. There are governmental rules about being picked up by friends, businesses, taxis and shuttles... So essentially STATE controlled and dictated...

There is nothing capitalistic about a government being paid off to allow the shuttle services to control transport away from the airport.

Socialism at its finest...


We're in absolute agreement about definitions of socialism. The ones you provide are great, and clearly show that this is not an example of socialism.

Which of these taxis are owned or controlled by the government? None. Which are administered by the government? None.

As far as I know, there are no governmental rules about who picks up whom. It's taxi collective rules with which they get help on enforcement by local government.

There is everything capitalistic about controlling government through money. It's capital being put to work. This is government subservient to business, not business subservient to government.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

"And no, there's been no change that would prevent anyone from picking up family or friends (or customers they know by sight, really) and driving them off."

I would highly suggest when you do this you have your car info (either the rental agreement or your import sticker or your import letter from the Aduana), your drivers license, your tourist card or your FM and your passport. Once you enter the aiport grounds you are on Federal property. The Feds are up there checking cars all the time. If they check you out and you do not have the required documents (all of them)..............well let me just say that many people have ended up spending anywhere from 6 hours to 2 days at the station house, sorting it out. If you happen to get caught transporting clients, make sure you have a second form of transportation as your car is subject to seizure. And those guys everybody hates that work at the airport...........they are more than happy to turn you into the feds, who just happen to have an office about 25 feet from the arrival gate.

I hate it too, but it is what it is.


I agree with those issues, but they don't represent any recent change.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:46 AM

Can I get a cab from the airport to the resort of my choice?

Answer: No...

What keeps a cab driver from saying "screw you and your shuttle business, I have the right to and am going to take customers to their hotel...?"

Answer: 'the good ol' gubmint'

A system where a cab driver or business owner can get arrested by the government for picking up and transporting customers to their resorts, because they are circumventing a state controlled service is pure socialism, which we all know is a transitional state towards pure communism.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

There is everything capitalistic about controlling government through money. It's capital being put to work. This is government subservient to business, not business subservient to government.


You need a lesson in determining the difference between capitalism and corruption...
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:30 AM

Monopoly capitalism , a term coined by Karl Marx, refers to an environment where the state intervenes in the economy to protect large monopolistic or oligopolistic (cartel) businesses from competition by smaller firms. What is missing from capitalism in this case is "perfect competition". Competition leads to innovation and more affordable pricing. This is an example of a very influencial business. But this has seriously gone off topic. The original point was whether or not someone could meet you at the airport to assist you and or offer you transportation. Like it or not I would not suggest it and would take the shuttle. Being Mexican I used to have friends or family pick me up but I do not do do that anymore. I do not like it but that is the reality. It is not worth the hastle. Take the shuttle and save yourself alot of grief.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 11:41 AM

I agree with those issues, but they don't represent any recent change.


True enough, but your post certainly indicated that there is no problem with picking someone up at the airport. This is patently false. I was just trying to warn people that if they think there is "there's been no change that would prevent anyone from picking up family or friends" does not mean it is legal or advisable. I think most sensible people who read your post would think you implied that it is A-OK to pick up family there.And frankly I think it is obvious that you implied there was no problem going to the airport. That is not true. If people took that to heart they could have trouble.

Constantly arguing about the smallest distinctions is not doing you or anyone else any good whatsoever.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:40 PM

Hip hip hooray for el socialismo!
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:44 PM

There are many complicated and at times confusing laws in play here. Originally for National security reasons no foreigner can be employed in any type of transportation: land, air or sea. That means a foreigner cannot be a boat captain, pilot or taxi driver. A Mexican plated vehicle can be driven by anyone with a proper license but a foreign plated vehicle can only be operated by the person who is on the title and with all proper documentation. And foreign plated vehicles must comply with the laws regarding import stickers, fees etc. The taxi union and the van company take advantage of any and all laws and regulations that further empower their allready very strong union and or business. These are very influencial groups. Like it or not that is the way it is. Yes I could have friends or family (Feds are not going to check their documents) pick me up at the airport without any problem, or walk off property with my luggage and catch a cab, but it is just not worth the hastle to me, or having my friends or family hastled. There are also legitimate reasons for this policy. Due to limited space the vans are a more logical way of transporting people from the airport as opposed to a taxi sitio with taxis waiting in front to pick up customers. You are more than able to have a taxi drop you off at the airport but will pay a slightly higher fare.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:40 PM

Its a small island and the FEDS know who is working in the tourism industry, whether it be a dive shop, hotel or condo rental agency.. Property managers or business owners can certainly go to the airport and meet their clients/guests and direct them away from the time share lineups and get them to the bus/van shuttle and to the address where they are staying.

If you have a foreign plated car and picking up people, they have the right to ask for your papers! and may give you a hassle. We have a Mexican plated car and are picking up family and friends at certain times of the year and have had no issues at all. We do own a tour company, and soon will have a rental vacation house in town, and will never pick up clients for tours or guests renting my house at the airport.
How many times have I stood waiting for my kids and grandchildren to arrive, only to see the time share sharks harass people to gain a commission for transportation or a time share presentation for unsuspecting travelers that do not know the system...

Please give clear instructions and directions to any guests or clients that are coming into Cozumel or Cancun airports as to what the process is...You cannot get a cab from the airport to your hotel or condo. You have to buy a ticket at the booth and then head outside and tell the drivers where you are going. Some vacation packages do include the shuttle transportation on their vouchers and guests need to read this information.

Of course guests can take a cab from their hotel or condo back to the airport when taking a flight out of Cozumel. Just let people know the system and you won;t have any problems.
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