"I personally can't see what would be considered homeopathic medicines playing a role, certainly not if their ingredients aren't listed and no product testing studies can be provided. I'd hold them up to the same level and degree of scrutiny as I would any medication from a pharmaceutical laboratory. To each, their own, make your choics, but I always vote for informed decisions."
Many actually do list their ingredients (well sort of, they just can't be measured, because they no longer exist it). The whole methodology behind Homeopathy is that it subscribes to the "law of infinitesimals". That means each ingredient has been diluted so many times in water that there does not remain a single molecule of the original substance which can be measured. The theory is that the water retains the memory of the original ingredient. Most cures listed are from 6X to30X but products of 30C or more are sold. The X's and C's represent Roman numerals and if you pick up a bottle you will see this on the label. A dilution of 30C means the original ingredient has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Oscillococcinum, or the cold and flu treatment, has an 200C ingredient that uses the liver and heart of a duck, Anas Barbariae Hepatis Et Cordis Extractum ( wild Duck liver and heart extract). Look it up http://www.vitasalus...dicine?limit=15
. It is freeze dried and rehydrated, diluted and added to sugar. If a single molecule could survive the concentration would be 1 in 100200 that number would have 400 zeros in it, more than all the molecules in the universe. With a 30X pill you would have to take 2 billion of them to get one measurable molecule. A 200C dilution is inconceivable
It would be a percentage of:
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of concentration of the original ingredient.
If you were to take 1 part (1%)of an ingredient and add 99 parts (99%)of water, then shake it then pour off 99% of the water leaving 1%. You add 99 parts (99%)of water shake and do this 200 more times each time pouring off 99% of the water. You are left with water. The manufactures admits it is water. But the catch, and here is where you need allot of faith, they claim the water has a memory of the original ingredients. Scientintists say its impossible. And the laws of chemestry say that after a certain dilution, way before this point, it no longer has a single molecule of the original ingredient. So they are selling water with the memory of the original ingredient or as they say the "essence". Or with a pill the water is added to a benign compound to make a pill. But this defies all laws of chemistry.
"In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird the $20-million duck."
The treatment for allergies and hayfever contains arsenic, well sort of, because these products are diluted to a point where no molecules are left so most all would agree that it can pose no risk. Where I agree with proponents here is it can do no harm. No side affects. No risk when used with other medications, pregnancy etc. No risks at all. Water can do no harm.
For any chemists out there who understand avogadros number homeopathy is totaly inexplicable. When the last molecule is gone they claim its memory remains. And by "shaking" it you can release the spirit or the "essence". This is refered to as "the memory of water. This is why I ask its proponents to explain to me what "shaking" does. You will hear many who use these products talk about "shaking" ("also a quick shake of the bottle before opening supposedly helps activate the ingredients a bit more") but they will tell you they are not sure why or what it does. No one has been able to tell me they know what "shaking" is or its purpose. All of this is supported in Nauticabs article that she references in her first post. Its an excellent article. And I definitely recommend it. It says that there is no supporting science from physics or chemestry to support this methodology. It defies all laws of chemestry and physics.
Some claim it is like an immunization "like cures like" but immunizations have measurable ingredients and produce antibodies which can be measured in the blood but homeopathic products have no measurable response or any measurable active ingredients.
I am hoping that someone who uses it, who believes in it, and who understands it can please explain it to me. . So far no one has, not even doctors, and it is not for lack of me trying. For those who say it works for them, I believe them, placebos work. I question what is taught to me in medicine and require proof. There are many prescription drugs I would really hesitate using. Just yesterday it was reported that the largest selling drug for high blood pressure may cause memory loss. Many drugs are pulled off the market and for good reason. That is why we never stop asking the questions. I apply the same principles to any alternative medicine that I apply to my own studies. If it works tell me how and why. For those who say it works I would never question their sincerity. I believe you.
How accupuncture may relieve pain is uncertain. But at least there are a couple of medical suggestion of how and why it might work. One theory is that it stimulates the production of endorphins which are like a narcotic in reducing pain. There are a few others which I find very doubtfull. But this suggestion actually has some merit. I do not really accept the idea that it blocks the pain from reaching the spinal cord and ultimately the brain. Another is that overstimulation of one area reduces the pain in another.
Clinical research of new drugs is allways done with a group that are given a placebo to see how the results of the group using the actual medicine compares. "Placebo effect can be very powerful". We should never accept the claims of drug manufactures with out question. "I'd hold them up to the same level and degree of scrutiny as I would any medication from a pharmaceutical laboratory". As stated before some drugs are taken off the market years later, but there are drugs that really do work wonders in improving lives. We should never stop research to find out which ones work and which ones do not. With which ones do the side effects outweigh the benefits. These are important questions. The same criticism should be applied to all. Show me, prove it if you can.
Does water retain the memory of an ingredient that can no longer be measured "the memory of water"? Can its "spirit" or "imprint or "essence" be released by shaking it? Is this the miracle cure for all that it claims to be?