Bug Spray Do Not Use Deet
Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:10 PM
Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:52 PM
This was all debated some time ago in another thread. No reason to debate it again here. Many studies were mentioned in this earlier thread. DEET is safe and very effective. The most effective repellent is existence. There are others which have shown effectiveness and were also discussed. But DEET is the best and most effective remedy against dengue.
DEET has shown mild toxicity in 1 out of 100 million uses. The effectiveness against dengue outweighs the risk by about 100 million times. Natural oils and treatments have shown a higher percentage of skin irritation. Oils evaporate quickly and need to be applied as often as every half hour. This was discussed before in another thread.
Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:58 PM
I will follow the CDC on their recommendations in regards to Deet.
It works, it is effective and has proven over many studies to be so.
If you have a concern, then don't use it.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:16 PM
Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:27 PM
Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:42 PM
The fact is there have been many more cases of reported mild to severe skin irritation from natural botanical oils than have ever been reported using DEET. DEET has shown mild toxicity in 1 in 100 Million uses.
Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:27 PM
it is a biodegradeable natural based repellent (also available with sunscreen, SPF30), and for me, kept just as many bugs away from me as autan.
if you are interested, we have both versions (with or without sunscreen) in the store.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:53 PM
While citronella oil is generally considered to be safe there are more documented cases of mild to severe skin irritation with the the use of citronella oil and other botanical oils than in fifty years of DEET. You only hear of scary reports of the dangers of DEET in these obscure articles who are trying to sell snake oil (botanical oils). They have very little effectiveness and for a very very short duration.
DEET is one of the most widely tested and proven effective and safe products on the market. There is NOTHING better or safer. The scare tactics work because it has a somewhat chemical odor and a scary name "DEET". But it does work to sell alot of very marginally effective alternative oils and herbs. But the truth is there is nothing safer or more effective than DEET.
Most all reported incidents from DEET were from people taking it internally or using it improperly. Many things will have harmfull effects when taken internally including citronella oil.
As I have said many times when it comes to the risk of getting dengue I want the most proven effective and safe thing I can buy. And that is without any doubt DEET.
It is recomended by the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the EPA and every major medical journal.
I also agree with "folks" to choose. But what I object to is missinformation. There is no other product which is safer or more effective. This has been proven over and over again through fifty years of research. Yet someone else always comes along trying to sell another oil or herb claiming they work, however marginally or for whatever brief period of time.
Personally I do not want to see anyone in the Hospital because they actually read somewhere were someone was promoting a product that is well known to have nowhere near the effectiveness of DEET and as a result gets very sick from dengue and could even die. If you want to use your oils go right ahead. It is your own choice but don't try to sell them to others and putting them at risk when you have no facts or studies to back you up. This may sound harsh but it's the truth.
I say the same thing to my fellow Mexicans who use the alcohol, cloves and baby oil mixture. The alcohol evaporates very quickly. The baby oil serves as a very short term barrier. In studies clove oil has had some short term effect. But in a diluted state there is no real evidence it has much affect. And it is not recommended to apply clove oil directly to the skin. Use what has been proven to be the safest and most efective. DEET!
Stop putting yourself at risk. Use DEET.
If you want to protect yourself from the dangers of dengue. Use DEET and not any of these other so called remedies. NOTHING is better or safer.
I am very adamant about this because dengue is a very serious health risk and I hate seeing a pregnant mom or a child or an elderly person die from it. Use what is been proven for more than fifty years to be the most effective. And stop using these other so called remedies which are marginally effective. DEET is the best. The toxicity effect is one in 100 million. The benefits significantly outweigh any risk. It is very safe!
Note: A higher concentration of DEET has more to do with how long it is effective before having to reapply. A 20% to 25% concentration is very effective and will last for hours and safe for children and infants over two months. Follow directions when using. Do not apply to the hands of children and do not let them apply it themselves. Keep away from eyes, mouth and nose.
Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:55 AM
Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:28 PM
Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:43 PM
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:50 PM
DEET is in use all around the world and recommended by the World Health Organization. It is the best repellent for mosquitos with Icardin being a possible close or distant second depending on which study you read. But Icardin does not have nearly the amount of testing that DEET has gone through. This was all discussed in a previous thread. Autan uses both in their products. They have some repellents with DEET and some with Icardin. Autan with DEET is a good product. DEET is of course very effective and Icardin has been shown effective in some studies. I would however be more inclined to use the Autun product that contains DEET because it has been more thoroughly tested and proven safe and effective.
There are many myths about DEET. That it should not be used in higher concentrations than 10% with children and not for infants. The American Academy of Pediatrics has changed their recommendations to a 30% concentration for children and recommend its use for infants over 2 months old. I have not found a case that any nuerological disorder has been associated with DEET. Not saying there is not one. If anyone can find a specific case I would like to read about it. There were six cases with children but DEET was not to be found culpable. Two percent of children will have a siezure before age 10. And thousands of other products could have caused the siezures. DEET could not be isolated as the cause from any other chemicals in use. Other instances of illness were from ingesting it or improper use. If it really were what the critics claim then with 8 billion uses world wide for over fifty years we would certainly see some conclusive evidence. But there is none. On the contrary it has been proven to be very safe. And definitely effective.
Also do not forget to get rid of any standing water. It is not sufficient to just empty water out of containers. They must be washed and cleansed to dislodge the eggs. Diligence is very important.
Bug lights do not work and have shown to actually attract and kill more beneficial insects. And in fact they may actually attract more mosquitos than are killed by the device.
From the New England Journal Of Medicine
DEET-based products provided complete protection for the longest duration. Higher concentrations of DEET provided longer-lasting protection. A formulation containing 23.8 percent DEET had a mean complete-protection time of 301.5 minutes. A soybean-oil–based repellent protected against mosquito bites for an average of 94.6 minutes. The IR3535-based repellent protected for an average of 22.9 minutes. All other botanical repellents we tested provided protection for a mean duration of less than 20 minutes. Repellent-impregnated wristbands offered no protection.
Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:47 PM
Is that what i have been doing wrong mark? Ok, next year it goes in my margarita!
Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:35 PM
Swiped from Wiki:
The name picaridin was proposed as an International Nonproprietary Name (INN) to the World Health Organization (WHO), but the official name that has been approved by the WHO is icaridin. The compound was developed by the German chemical company Bayer and was given the name Bayrepel. In 2005, Lanxess AG and its subsidiary Saltigo GmbH were spun off from Bayer and the product was renamed Saltidin in 2008.
Picaridin, first used in Europe in 2001, has been reported to be effective by Consumer Reports (7% solution) and the Australian Army (20% solution). Consumer Reports retests in 2006 gave as result that a 7% solution of picaridin offered little or no protection against Aedes mosquitoes (vector of dengue fever) and a protection time of about 2.5 hours against Culex (vector of West Nile virus), while a 15% solution was good for about one hour against Aedes and 4.8 hours against Culex. Natrapel 8 hour is a 20% based picaridin repellent that claims to be effective for 8 hours.
Wishing I was retiring to Cozumel.....
Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:56 PM
Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:25 PM
so, again morenita, i used it and continue to use it with GREAT SUCCESS and again, you choose to discredit me. it works. it may not work for all, but it works DAMN well for me and my whole family. in fact, as good as, if not better than, popular deet products. i prefer to use the natural, against all of the research you continue to throw at us (some good, some terribly repetitive and one sided).
my personal "studies" of deet products left nothing better than my reef safe products. i stand behind them. i see people using "fly away" and the cr*p ATTRACTS the mosquitos on my skin. absolutely worthless. i have used off and they land right on me and bite. autan works for a bit, but i always have to reapply.
the reef safe works, has been tested on mosquito infested areas for more than 20 minutes with no bites, and yes, morenita, i protect the hell out of my kid and my family and if there are more mosquitos, i apply a bit more, but better yet, go inside. just like everyone else does with their product of choice. and considering we as a family go thru one bottle every 6 weeks to 2 months, AND use it as sunscreen during the day (and since i train for ironman, i am in the sun for hours daily), at $12 a bottle, it is very cheap. so get YOUR facts straight. it is NOT expensive to reapply.
"It is your own choice but don't try to sell them to others and putting them at risk when you have no facts or studies to back you up. This may sound harsh but it's the truth. "
i am NOT putting people at risk. i am doing a SERVICE providing people an option that has worked for me and many others for more than a year since we brought this product to the island. plus, i don't get a sunburn with it therefore preventing sun cancer to boot.
stop insinuating that i am putting my kid at risk for dengue by using something that i found success that happens to NOT be deet. we lost a teacher at my kid's school last september. believe me, it is close to my heart.
on another note, my friend mentioned of a friend who got bit using anything and everything and claimed that her doctor told her to drink a teaspoon of white vinegar daily. she never got bit again.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:50 AM
Wishing I was retiring to Cozumel.....
Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:10 AM
Absolutely false. Check you facts. You are totally wrong and uninformed on this.
This is from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention
Be aware of peak mosquito hours. The peak biting times for many mosquito species is dusk to dawn. However, Aedes aegypti (dengue)mosquitos feeds during the daytime. Take extra care to use repellent and protective clothing during daytime as well as during the evening and early morning.
I will repeat Reef Safe (citronela oil) has been thoroughly tested and has been shown to have very little effect at repeling mosquitos. I will trust the New England Journal of Medicine and fifty years of research over your personal field studies any day. The dengue mosquitos bite during the day and in certain conditions most other mosquitos bite during the day as well like shaded areas and cloudy days etc. So if you are only applying repellent to your son inthe morning and night you are putting him at risk. Citronela oil in the best studies has shown to be effective for 20 mins. But so has cooking oil. If you are intent on not using DEET, the best product on the market, you would be better off with putting on soybean oil than Reef Safe. It works about 4 and 1/2 times longer in studies. Reef Safe is pretty much a waste of money and does very little to repel mosquitos.
You can use any sun block with DEET just apply it first. And then apply DEET over it after a few minutes.
I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt thinking that you would read the directions on any product you were using and selling. It states that it provides short term protection. And once in the morning and once at night would not be sufficient. If I had a child I would use DEET if they were at school during the day when the mosquitos (that carry dengue) are biting knowing that I am giving them the best protection I possibly could from dengue. Citronella oil is not very effective. Regardless of what you think your own personal experience shows. And if you are selling it you should at least give people the facts and let them know that in the best case they would need to reapply every 20 minutes. You are selling a very inferior product that has very little effectiveness and you should inform anyone buying it that it provides at best very short term protection. I could never in good concious ever sell such a product.
You can mock the studies all you want. But these studies are conducted by some very smart people. And I trust them. I have been reading the New England Journal of Medicine for years and I trust them. As well as all the other studies. I have my facts. What facts or studies are you basing your knowledge on?
And in my opnion you are putting people at risk selling a product and giving them a sense of false security buying a product that barely works and for a very short term.
Are you saying someone should trust your own backyard test over the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, the EPA, and the World Health Organization. Give me a break. Citronela oil barely works DEET does. Stop peddling garbage.
If you take offense to anything I say so be it. I am passionate about medicine and saving lives. DEET saves lives.
There is zero evidence taking anything internally whether it is clove, garlic or vinegar, has any effect at all. None
Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:33 AM
Throughout the years many botanical oils have been used with varying degrees of effectiveness. Clove oil, lemongrass ( were citronela comes from) etc. Some seemed to work others did not. Clove oil undiluted had some effect. But you should not apply undiluted clove oil to the skin. Many of these oils undiluted will cause mild to severe irritation to the skin. DEET is still the safest product on the market. And the most effective. There is nothing better.
Citronela oil is a very mediocre product at best, Which may provide very short term protection.
This thread should be titled:
IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM DENGUE USE DEET it is safe and effective.
Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:52 AM
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