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#1 Coz2wonder

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:10 AM

This is about the 3rd time I have heard about a tourist coming to the island with ammo.

Please check your bags for live ammunition prior to boarding! Seat back in the upright position, and NO AMMO!

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COZUMEL, July 20. - Tourists of foreign origin was detected at the airport carrying a hundred cartridges in his luggage, so he was arrested and turned over to the Attorney General's Office (PGR), where the closure returned to the media communication, imposed again by Maria Magdalena Hernandez Arroyo, head of the Federal Public Ministry (MPF), who no longer even allowed the entry of the press and keeps building strange secrecy in this case.

Unofficial sources were announced Thursday at the 14:40 hours was made ​​available to the Federal Public Ministry, a tourist-origin named John Jason Matthew Allen Jr, once Customs employees apparently found him in his possession one hundred rounds of ammunition 9 mm, which was within a suitcase which allegedly resulted in a flight from Dallas, Texas, at 14:10 hours that day, American Airlines, which was not confirmed by any authority.

Disclosure, official says the tourist was detained by federal police at the airport, then turns to the Federal Public Ministry on charges of violation of Federal Law on Firearms and Explosives, however, was released Friday at 15:40 hours paying a fine of 10 thousand dollars.
In the PGR could not obtain information under the new head of the agency ministerial Mary Magdalene Hernandez Arroyo has instructed the employee's private security "Cordi South", that there let into the building no reporters, apparently under a guideline established by the controversy Maria Lopez Urbina, delegate of the PGR in the state.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

I read this article in spanish. Is this a google translation or something similar?
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:25 AM

yes it is...

Did the translation miss something?

I think it's more about the event, then the translation, unless it missed the point completely.

Which of course is possible.

Good grief, I hope I don't become like a robo poster, quoting the news story daily :blink:
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:37 AM

I never cease to be amazed how many people seem to forget to empty out the ammo before flying.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

how much would a 100 rounds weight?

I would think it would cut into your baggage weight, and maybe you would notice.

I am only guess'n, but I think we just witness an act of a pure, profoundly stupid person.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:49 AM

The only round I am interested in is the next round at the bar
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:54 AM

Ah, two 50 round boxes of 9 mm? Not that heavy. I can see how accidents happen. Maybe he travels in the US and takes his gun or whatever and stuck a couple boxes in the suitcase and forgot about them.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

No problem with the translation. It still makes the point. These translations just make me laugh is all. But yes the point is the same.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:54 AM

Absoultely amazing. I managed to make it down to Cozumel Friday without an incident. Dozens and dozens of trip by air and land. As a police officer, and a firearms instructor I keep multiple weapons in my vehicle, office and home. There is probably 5,000 rounds in a storage locker in my office. Not counting what is in my work vehicle.

I have never once found "unexplained" ammunition or an "unaccounted" weapon in a bag that I was traveling with. I realize peope are careless and often excited about an upcoming trip and fail to check their bags. And of course some people are just downright stupid.

The really amazing part is again that TSA did not catch the ammo with their new whiz bang super deluxe high intensity x-ray scanner machines. Sometimes simple is better. What about the old fashioned hand search that worked for years. Maybe with another billion dollars they can develop an even better system that will do even less.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:45 AM

..........and I thought you wern't supposed to take shells out of Cozumel.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:19 AM

I've got a Concealed Carry permit and a 9 mm Beretta, and I am just amazed that someone oblivious enough not to know that he's carrying ammo onto a plane can be allowed to carry a gun. I always know exactly where my gun and ammo are (most of the time, safe at home locked in my gun safe, unless I'm going to the range or carrying in my car), and whenever I pack for any trip that requires me to fly, I always start with an absolutely empty suitcase or duffel. I even completely empty and repack my dive gear for every trip to Coz, so I know I haven't forgotten anything, and am only carrying what I need. This guy was extremely lucky to have gotten off with only a fine. I've read stories of Texans crossing the border in their pickups, and getting a couple of years in a Mexican prison for the 5 or 6 rifle rounds rolling around under their seat.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:51 AM

Dono...that's funny.

Jim 912 comment is spot regarding TSA missing it completely is beyond comprehension.

The last time this happened, TSA missed those shells as well.

They can touch your 'junk', but leave your with live ammunition.

I think we all share the same concerns, what if THIS guy, or the last guy, or the one before that's intentions where different.


Good catch by Cozumel customs, and security!
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:26 PM

Very interesting story. But there are a few points that should be mentioned. First, 100 rounds of 9 MM would only weigh approximately 3 1/2 pounds, so that kind of weight could be ignored.

Second, the TSA ALLOWS you to have ammunition in your checked baggage. This is directly from the TSA website:

"Small arms ammunition, including ammunition up to .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge- Check with your airline or travel agent to see if ammunition is permitted in checked baggage on the airline you are flying. Small arms ammunitions for personal use must be securely packaged in fiber, wood or metal boxes or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition. Ask about limitations or fees, if any, that appply"

Airlines, Delta and Continental, for example, allow up to 11 pounds of ammo per person, packaged directly in checked baggage. Having traveled with both firearms and ammo, I can tell you it is not that hard to do.

The TSA is only interested that the ammo is packaged correctly, and they don't care what your destination is. It is up to the passenger to know the laws at their destination. The laws of Mexico do not allow even one round of ammo to be brought in.

So, this guy made a big mistake, either intentionally brought it in, or was ignorant of the laws, but he got off easy with only the fine.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 06:42 PM

I could see a guy who say travels along by ground keeping a couple boxes of ammo in a travel bag. Then grabbing cr*p and forgetting those boxes were zipped in a side compartment or such. Losing track of a gun is a bit of a bigger deal.... I don't have 5,000 rounds I don't think. Course if I counted the cans of M1 ball I got a deal on.... maybe?
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

there are no BUT to the story!

The guy traveled INTERNATIONAL...what a jerk.

Don't defend stupid.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

I'm not saying it isn't stupid. However, I have NEVER come home from Mexico without watching a ton of people forking over bottles of suntan and water and every other over-sized bottle. It is stupid to show up with them, hold the line up and get your bag dumped out. It is flying. Two hundred signs about it and yet, stupidity reigns. I can see it as another stupid mistake. Perhaps not as stupid as, say, leaving your kid in the child seat on top of the car as you drive off though. Forgetting a box or two of ammo, seems to be just regular stupid, though with perhaps enhanced penalties. I would like to think I would never do it and as I never seem to use my regular airline suit case for anything else, I am probably safe. It just sounds like it is only 10,000 pesos stupid, which isn't TOO stupid, right?

I sort of rate it on the stupid scale where your buddy looks at you in the airport and says, shaking his head, "well that was f$%^&$# stupid" and helps you pay the tariff and move on.

I don't think it rises to the level of your buddy glaring at you and saying, "You are a f$%^&&$# idiot, I am done with you" and leaving you in the airport.

I don't know that I am an expert, but I do make my living on stupid and sorting through it. Like an artist that can see 100 shades of blue, I can see many levels of stupid.... :P
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

That man getting a $10,000 peso fine has to be one of the luckiest idiots alive, certainly the luckiest to travel to Mexico. Possession of anything is a huge crime, but importation brings it an extra serious charge of smuggling. The man is lucky to have not spent months or even years in prison and spent ten$$$ of thousand$$$ of dollars in attorney fees, fines and assorted court costs. People have paid dearly and suffered severely when a single old, corroded .22 caliber round was discovered when their vehicle was searched entering Mexico. When I have driven into Mexico, I have removed car seats, rugs, everything to have 100% certainty that not even a spent brass shell casing might have fallen into a crack. It is not necessarily easy to instantly come up with $10,000 pesos.

The previous incident of ammo at the airport was a tourist caught passing through security on leaving Cozumel. Not just U.S. Homeland InSecurity had missed it in his carry on bag, but it had been missed by Mexican customs which x ray and or hand search every single bag entering.

It seems amazing that you can undergo the most intimate groping, be subjected to body porn scans etc, but receive no medical exam reports. I feel far less safe than I used to feel when traveling. Other countries seem to manage fine with far less intrusive measures, even Israel which has really been a target for decades. It seems that for a small additional fee and a few extra minutes with security, you should at least get the equivalent of an annual medical physical check up.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:19 PM

Hmmm. I agree he probably is not attentive enough to be trusted with guns. 10K to get out of jail - ouch!
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

I hope he didnt rent a scooter while there
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

It seems amazing that you can undergo the most intimate groping, be subjected to body porn scans etc, but receive no medical exam reports. .


I think if you have a big enough tumor, they may come out and palpitate it for you.....
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