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#21 Leo - spearfishing

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:07 PM

It doesn´t matter whether you´re a fisherman or an electrician. :)
FACT is that they are squeezing the handle, the number of liters increases and there is no fuel coming out. So these smart Pemex guys must have found something to fool a flow driven gauge... Whether it is air or nothing coming out... FACT is... it is not fuel. :)
I have seen with my own eyes they squeezed full and then just a bit... Again flow driven. I believe you straight away... but apparently these guys do not like "to go with the flow"....
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:59 PM

It doesn´t matter whether you´re a fisherman or an electrician. :)
FACT is that they are squeezing the handle, the number of liters increases and there is no fuel coming out. So these smart Pemex guys must have found something to fool a flow driven gauge... Whether it is air or nothing coming out... FACT is... it is not fuel. :)
I have seen with my own eyes they squeezed full and then just a bit... Again flow driven. I believe you straight away... but apparently these guys do not like "to go with the flow"....


Leo and Carey what are you two talking about?
Lets start with Leo.. its a little more involved than this, but.... its kind of like a water meter. It only revolves when water flows or a wind mill it doesnt rotate without wind to drive it. WHERE IS THE METER GETTING ITS DRIVING FORCE? Get a water meter and blow into it ... it wont spin it wont even turn . There is no magic.. your both just guessing ...guess without knowledge or background and your doing it to someone who has at least some background.. "It doesn´t matter whether you´re " hahahaaha wbo are you kidding?
Who of you has proof that squeezing the handle is anything!!!!!!!!! but a visual distraction for the victim.. Its an Electric over hydrodynamic system. ( BTW I think I Now have a pretty good idea how this scam is working )
Carey ? ""You have a better explanation? I ain't heard one as yet...some kind of electronic glitch .."" I did and I didn't guess at how these devices work or resort to witchcraft or Mayan Magic..
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 01:39 AM

Richard I'll bet it was all rigged by one of those damn union electricians! LOL Now in the old days it was typical to be able to pump 22 liters into a 20 liter container. Given the history of Pemex, there was probably a design flaw built into the system when they went electronic. The pumpers might have had to go in for training, continuing education classes.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 06:24 AM

Wow....
I myself do not care HOW they do it. FACT is, it is happening. And not only with me. That´s all I wanted to say...
Have a beautiful day....
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 07:11 AM

maybe if we all ask for the phone number and address of the pemex head office direct to the attendents if you feel there is a problem, that should put them on their toes and give them a fright , say not the franchise here but the main office .. where is the main office presumably Mexico city...
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:13 AM

Thanks for starting this thread, Leo, and alerting everyone. I would be interested to know if there is any way to stop this problem. Actually, you know, this sounds like a class action kind of thing for PROFECO.

Someone needs to bring this to their attention pronto.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:21 AM

The time before last I was topping the car off before returning it to ISIS at the station on 30th. The guy pumping the gas was talking away asking about our trip, where I was from, where we were staying and then as it should be getting close to being full he says "check the gauge and make sure it's full". Needlees to say I had let my gaurd down, polked my head into the car and just then it hit me... DAMN he got me. Sure enough the pump read way more then it should have and thinking back on it now that Mark said the liters would have read zero, I think they did and that is what thru me off. Needless to say I wrote it off to a learning experiance and figured out a way to beat the system.
I now rent from John at Less Pay, they have free gas on small vehicle rentals for a week or more, This way if I am getting low on gas I drop the car off at the office, go do some shopping or have lunch and pick it back up latter.
I do have to admit that this is a work around and not a fix to the problem. This is a problem on the island and it will continue until something is done about it. I think everyone would hate to have people talking about there trip and the fact they were taken advantage of. Everyone knows you can do something nine times perfect and the one time you don't that is what people will remember and talk about most...
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 10:29 AM

Actually Carey's suggestion is a good one Profeco ... but I am not sure how you would begin the process..

Charles.... You may be closer than you think to the answer... Because it would take a tech knowing what he was doing to "rig " this pump (s) yes often two pumps, to make this happen.

I thought it was said , you folks wanted Good Information? Just because some dont understand how these things work doesnt mean to shoot the messenger. But I see that may be how it is here...
Some might want to just forward bad information and be looking in the wrong direction for an answer and there by a solution. To me that's just plain wrong...That's Not how you fix anything..
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:10 PM

Technical info is appreciated and of interest. Thanks to Richard and Mark for provided this as far as I'm concerned.

But I believe the central issue here is to figure out exactly how they are getting away with this so it can be stopped. It's some sort of a trick and it's just going to get worse until we blow the whistle on them.

PEMEX is a privately owned company, is it not? Not a gobment entity?

Because PROFECO can and will take on any private company but I don't thik they can go after government agencies.

I'll be back on the island next Friday and will volunteer to help get a petition before PROFECO the following week. Going to need names and phone number of people who know they've been cheated recently. Who can help with this?

I know the procedure for filing having done it several times. But we will get much quicker results -- probably without even having to go to a mediation meeting -- if we can provide a list of people who ascertain they've been gypped with phone numbers and/or email addresses and also street addresses.

I got up a petition a few years ago. Collected names and addresses of about 25 downtown residents and businesses that, like me, had endured more than 2 weeks of internet loss. Took the petition in to PROFECO and the gentleman was on the phone to Telmex in literally one minute and everyone got their internet back later that afternoon. Didn't even have to file a formal complaint and set up a date for a mediation meeting.

In this case, they might have to send an investigator out to see if they can get themselves cheated. But I'm sure we all agree this is heinous and unacceptable behavior. REally bad for people who live here, of course, but it's also TERRIBLE publicity from a tourism prespective.
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:32 PM

Carey I was Pretty Positive ( hows that for me doing a CYA : ) That Pemex is Owned By The Mexican Government. But before I posted, I checked with with among others sources....wiki and this looks to be pretty accurate.....
Courtesy of the Wiki's web site
Petróleos Mexicanos or Pemex (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈpemeks], Mexican Petroleum) is Mexico's state-owned petroleum company. It is the 10th largest oil company in the world in terms of revenue and ranks 42nd on the list of Fortune 500 companies.

Asphalt and pitch had been worked in Mexico since the time of the Aztecs. Small quantities of oil were first refined into kerosene around 1876 near Tampico. By 1917 commercial quantities of oil were being extracted and refined by subsidiaries of the British Pearson and American Doheny companies, and had attracted the attention of the Mexican government who then claimed all mineral rights for the state as part of its Constitution


So I must ask, will that make a difference in Profeco's power to confront this fraud?
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Posted 28 May 2010 - 06:00 PM

Here in the states we have the Bureau of Weights and Measures, I wonder if Mexico has an agancy like that?
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 12:40 AM

Pemex is the government owned oil company that supplies gasoline and diesel fuel to all Pemex gas stations that are independently owned concessions or franchises. As far as I know, Nacho Joaquin, son of Addy Joaquin Coldwell, grandson of don Nassim is the owner of the three Pemex stations on the island.

Don't waste PROFECO's time, someone, preferably a Mexican could stop by the office and speak to the manager or send a message to Nacho that perhaps things are getting out of hand and the workers are getting greedy. Greedy means taking more than they should or more than what is expected and considered acceptable.

PROFECO has long run tests on pumps nationwide to insure they are calibrated to pump accurately when they are tested.
PROFECO can only test the pumps that are in operation when they do an inspection. If a pump is out of order and not in use, it might or might not be inspected later when it returns to service when other pumps might not be in working order and not in use. Does that double talk accurate communicate the situation.

In the old daze, before the new and improved modern era, nine liters pumped for ten liters registered was the unwritten rule nationwide. As machinery became more electronic and sophisticated, workers have had to become more creative to receive the expected compensation of this coveted position. No other group of unionized workers, workers that basically work for tips have such a key position in the main element that makes all government and political services function.

Richard, now when I said union member, I was not referring to a Mexican oil worker union member. Union membership is a reward, a birth right etc. not to be compared to U.S. unionized workers. Like electrical union workers that are trained, have to pass tests for competence and maintain professional standards. It is those socialist type professionals that demand safety standards, fair wages...all the communist functions that drive up the cost for the bosses. They may insure quality and professionalism, but they stifle business growth and I bet some even voted for Obama or are sympathetic for universal health care because their unions fought for good health insurance benefits.

I grew up in a "Right to Work" State. What can be more American and patriotic than a right to work? Florida's right to work laws like many southern states always prevented unions from doing much more than saying please.
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 07:03 PM

I thought we were talking about getting ripped off at a gas station? Charles stay on topic, your scaring the children... LOL :D
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 10:25 PM

Well Guitar....... and some day we doooooooo need to talk guitar's.. : ) some stuff came down today on what might appear to be the other side of the moon.
I was working in the yard and on the pool so I missed adding my $1 worth and I may soon ( enlighten some touriost of little known facts !!) // I may soon be bringing out facts as to why I get a dollar not just 2 cents.....worths on that side .. anyway same old same old ... and Chuck just venting a little here and there in frustration I believe..

Now ..... Is it true they are gearing up on Cozumel to film a new movie called Invasion of the gringo wack-jobs?? I read some auditions a few minutes ago..
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Posted 29 May 2010 - 10:50 PM

Richard, what does that mean?
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Posted 30 May 2010 - 09:52 PM

Sorry My Bad
I saw 1 AM but thought I saw 1 PM in Charles post.. Huge time line difference.
I assumed some, many, most.......... were aware of the chat board lynching that took place Sat.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 12:18 AM

Richard, I only post during daylight hours which ends about 1:00AM. Things have changed a bit since you first bought a house....and have changed a lot since you sold it. Somethings are still the same like the gasoline. Since you have gone more gourmet in your cooking, I liked your question of what might be the closest substitute for goat cheese. Now there might be six brands and a total of 20 plus varieties and spices. I remember the daze when you'd go to the store and ask "Is there cheese"?

I think there may only be discussions about filming a Gringo Wacko in Paradise show. The first step before casting is to make sure there are enough extras available for crowd scenes etc.

BTW I noticed there was a fire that cooked a store on 15th between Salas and calle 3 which was attributed to faulty wiring. I'll bet you were surprised that there could be bad electrical wiring still on the island NOT. I once had a non-union U.S. electrician come to my apartment as he could not believe my outlets were actually grounded. They were, but the previous place I had to pound a copper pipe into the ground to provide grounding of a sorts for my stereo to work.

Are you sure you and Audrey don't want to come down and try renting for the nice three months of the year?

Back to the gas station; pay attention, get out of your car, act like you know what you are doing, buy a set amount, hand them $100 pesos bill, a $10 peso coin and tell them put $100 of gas in and ask for a nota. A $10 peso tip up front and requesting a nota (which means nothing), you'll get the correct gas and both sides will be happy.
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Posted 31 May 2010 - 08:27 AM

Charles: 3 months rental? When we finally move again, we are going to be South... Very South. No More Snow, Only Warm Winters. Snow-birding just doesnt appeal to me, and it wouldn't make since to me, to be living say, down on the water in Port Charlotte Florida, and snow-birding to Cozumel.
Alas, I hope my final move, may not be Mexico after all. IMHO now after spending time and $$ looking in the Progeso Beach Area. That area IMHO is dirty... too too dirty too much of the year...By and Large Mexicans think the whole world is their trashcan as I see it. Its Very Sad to me .
Cozumel can look like a Hospital O.R. when it comes to cleanliness..... compared to much of the area Between San Benito and Chuburna.
But I see that with Mexicans living NOB as well... Also as you know ... It does bother me than 40,000,000 can work here illegally and drain Our systems and Our programs and March and Rally and Protest make Public Their DEMANDS....even..... all the while being illegal.
But I am told repeatedly warned , that even if I am down in Mexico as a home owner and Not working taking some Highly skilled Electricians Job away from him hahahaaha legally I .... I am to shut up... I am a guest...That's Not right , not to me anyway and I may not be able to live with that.
Well I best stop as this is off topic : )
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

I had read Hillbilly's original post but had forgotten about it until the same thing happened to me on Tuesday. Was on my way to return my rental to Isis and needed about a half tank of fuel. Got out of the car (as always)as the attendant set the pump to zero. Stood outside and watched as the gas pumped. He stopped it at 190 pesos and I was getting ready to hand him a $20. He then asked me to 'check the gauge to see if it was full'. I fell for it & when I got back out of the car, the pump now read 350 pesos!!!! That's when I remembered about this scam. I asked him "why did the pump read 190 a minute ago & now it says 350?". Another attendant handed him a calculator and he proceeded to pretend as if he was calculating the exchange rate for me. Then he told me: "350 pesos". I looked dumbfounded and he got his pen & wrote $39.00 on his hand and said "$39.00 US". Again, I repeated my question of how it was 190 pesos and how did it end up being $39.00US? He then replied, "$25.00 US". I said, "NO!" and handed him the $20.00 bill and he looked sheepish and said, "OK". Crisis averted but just wanted to remind folks that this is apparently still happening. Should I report this to anyone??
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

At which Pemex did this occur?
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